Egyptian Dreams

[Rozette]

Bolton Museum mummy found to be royalty
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A member of royalty has been in Bolton for the last 78 years - in the shape of an Egyptian mummy which is more than 3,000 years old.

Experts carried out a series of examinations - including CT scans at the Royal Bolton Hospital - on two mummies from Bolton Museum.

And the results for one of the relics were unexpected.

For they revealed that the Eygptian mummy, originallly thought to be an Egyptian temple dancer, was in fact a member of the Egyptian royal family from the 19th dynasty, related to Ramesses the Second.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/search/display.var.2086238.0.mummys_the_word_for_museum_staff.php


According to the article the mummy had a " pronounced over-bite ".

I always thought that the pronounced overbite was characteristic for the Thutmosid royal family and not for the family of Ramses II.

[Seshat]

It's probably Smenkhare.


Yeah. The overbite is from the Thutmosides. Maybe someone was confused. Maybe that was a characteristic of the rammesides, too?

[Daughter_Of_SETI]

The characteristic overbite was definitely from the Tuthmoside line, but I guess that an overbite doesn't necessarily have to be genetic, so maybe it's just a coincidence?? Unless this mummy was in fact related to the Tuthmoside in some way?? I don't see how an overbite should be used as a way of dating the mummy, though.

Interesting article, Rozette.
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[Segereh]

[kmt_sesh]

I would also be suspicious of findings based purely on physical characteristics. The severed genitals is striking--and unpleasant!--but I don't see much else of substance to identify this as a royal mummy from the Ramesside line. It could be that there's additional evidence the article doesn't mention or to which the author did not have access.
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[Segereh]

[kmt_sesh]

[burlgirl]

Segereh,
I have to agree with you. I take a lot of what Zahi Hawass says with a grain of salt when I hear him say stuff like that. I remember when he commented on the possible mummies of Hatshepsut and he was looking at the more attractive one that he commented something like, she had to be the queen. She felt like a queen and she had such a queenly prescence. Just because we want something to be so doesn't make it so, no matter how much we want it. If that was the case, KV 63 would have had some Amarna mummies!!

Hawass rubs me the wrong way. I want to like the guy so much, but every time I see him on tv I end up thinking "Puh-leese! How did you get in your position making statments like that!" Sometimes I feel like I know more about some of this stuff and have a better "feel" for it than he does. Okay, I'll turn the rant off now and go back to lurking.

Jo
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[Segereh]

[kmt_sesh]

The average person knows nothing of Hawass beyond his public persona--which means his frequent appearances on things like the Discovery Channel. It's really a one-dimensional platform for one to form an opinion.

Many people I meet in my work with the Field and O.I. regard him as something of a folk hero and think he's peachy-keen. Yet they have very little to go on to form an accurate impression of him, and even less familiarity with ancient Egypt to recognize the many bizarre things Hawass has said in public appearances.

Some of the Egyptologists I know can't stand him. Others have nothing but the highest regard and have learned to forgive him for his obsession for self-publicity.

Segereh is right that Hawass has done great work for his country and its antiquities. And although many of us long ago gave up trying to defend him, he's the man in charge and Segereh is right about that, too. I guess we all just have to "deal with it."
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[Lutz]

Here are some new / more informations :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/15/wmummy115.xml

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1156159

Greetings,

Lutz

[isisinacrisis]

The Telegraph article is much more thorough-mentioning similarities between the facial features as being more likely to reveal possible connections with Ramses II. They also mention expensive embalming materials which were used on royal mummies, not temple dancers. No mention of Hawass and his 'my mummy senses are tingling' powers in the article either.

Maybe they could try DNA testing? though I doubt that 'you-know-who' would allow it as he only wants Egyptians to carry out such tests these days. But RII's mummy is so well preserved and the Bolton one seems to be very well preserved too, so it would be possible to compare the two...though the best mummy DNA is in the bones so it might be a little bit intrusive to extract samples.
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[Lutz]

I have no idea how they can say it is a member of the royal family of the 19-th dynasty (And if you read all this stuff really, they don`t do so ... Very clever !).

[Segereh]

[Lutz]